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Cowfish · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:01 pm Post subject: Serial Killers

There is a series on TV about female murderers called Deadly Women and in the episode yesterday there was the story of Sharee Miller.

She found an internet lover who she met for sex and afterward continued to talk online. She sent him phony pictures of a positive pregnancy test and her stomach. The baby was his and he was so happy and believed it. Sometime later she sent him pictures of her stomach bruised (which she made with makeup) and told him her husband did it and he was a dangerous mafia gangster.
They made a plan to kill him and carried it out, making it look like a robbery. Her lover's name was Jerry and he was anxiously awaiting to be with the love of his life after the crime quieted down only to find out she had moved on and lived with her new boyfriend.
He gathered all the evidence of their plan and her manipulations through records, laid them in a briefcase beside him on a coffee table, and shot himself.
Sharee was sent to prison.

Without knowing the Ascending, here is her chart.

While looking at it, I could see nothing wrong with it that could indicate anything. What am I missing here? I do notice some Squares, but they're not making a tight enough Orb to count...

I think her RIsing is Capricorn b/c of her looks:

Here's her picture and chart:

Is it the shape of the inside, which is a star, that caused a person like this?
I made her Asc. Cap and now thinking it could've been Sag, but Cap is my 1st guess.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:02 pm Post subject:

I honestly don't know on this one.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:09 pm Post subject:

Could in part be the libra sun. Going along with what the partner wants even murder. Also, I have read one of the negative sides of venus in Scorpio is getting involved with criminals. Also, I don't know if the birth time you have is correct but moon conjunct the mean spirited star algenubi in oppostion to mars might also play a part in all this.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:16 pm Post subject:

Slaps head. Why didn't I see it before? Her mars makes a tight square to the mars south node. This also plays a factor. Also, if the birth time you suggest is even close to right this would also put the moon in a tight square to the mars south node.
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Ice_Maiden · Joined: 17 Oct 2004 Posts: 1666

Speaking of female serial killers. Here is Karla Homolka's chart. She killed her own sister because her husband wanted her too. She got off easy because she cooperated with the cops and testified against her husband, but she was just as guilty as luring those women as he was.

She killed 3-4 girls along with her husband in some sick rape-murder scenario.

Here's her chart:

Like the one mentioned above she also has a Capricorn Ascendant.
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abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

that story was made into a fabulous movie starring eric.....roberts.

juicejuffer · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:29 pm Post subject:

Lets see the sun the ruler of her 8th house of death is conjunct saturn ruler of her risng both conjunct the cursed star menkar. Plus her mecury is in tight oppostion to the mars south node. Also, mars the ruler of her mars south node is conjunct the star Aldebaran which, is said to be a deadly combination. Plus her moon conjuncts the rather difficult star Al Pherg. Add this to the fact her moon rules her seventh house and is ruled by mars.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:56 pm Post subject:

If anyone doubts the power of the nodes particularly the mars ones. The famous stuntman Evel Knievel had a jupiter in Aquairus (conjuct the success bringing star sadalsuud) in the first house in oppostion to the moon in Leo and in a tight square to the mars nodes. With the moon in exact trine to the uranus south node. Plus mars the ruler of his mar's south node conjunts the star Labrum a star said to give riches which, also inconjuncts his jupiter and his mars in Virgo is in a trine and sextile to the mars nodes. Plus his sun conjuncts the mega blessing stars arcturus and Spica. And, they say there is nothing to astrology.
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Golden Rose · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:46 pm Post subject:

I have been reading a lot on fixed stars on here which is new to me, I decided to look them up and I found some useful stuff which could help.

http://www.astrologycom.com/fixedstars.html

I think I have two conjunctions in my chart.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:59 pm Post subject:

Its important to remember the really negative stars are mostly really small and weak and won't do much unless there is lots of them in the chart as a whole, especially conjunt the rising and moon and even then most of the other planets have to conjunt or at least be in oppostion to them for them to have any real negative effect.
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Teo · Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Posts: 3971 Location: going on 4000

I love this kind of topic

in sharee's case, I notice lilith in conjunction to the sun, uranus, it is certainly not the base for someone stable
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abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

the roberts movie is called fatal desire, apparently there's an hbo movie called fatal error

Cowfish · Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:33 pm Post subject:

That's it, abigail... i need to go rent that today. Problem is this absent minded Pisc Rising has fines. Rolling Eyes

Ice, there was yet another Taurus lady serial killer on TV a few weeks ago. She tied her husband up in a game she claimed would save their marriage, stabbed him, and told him it was an accident. Drove him to the hospital and stabbed him again in their parking lot, then drove away. Shocked

WTH is wrong with people?

She had Moon in Pisces, Venus in Aries & Mars in Sagittarius. That is all I remember about her. May 11th I think.

juicejuffer · Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:38 pm Post subject:

That book of yours is on the moon nodes which, change sign about every year. These are the most poweful but the mars nodes are actually a close second. The planetary nodes change degrees very, very, very, very slowly.
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abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

too many people

Cowfish · Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 2:24 am Post subject: Another Crazy

Hi
Here's another crazy I discovered while watching late night TV. What she did with her husband is terrible. Together they abducted virgins, raped them, and killed them.
She claims to have been a victim and complying to her husband's wishes and to having spousal abuse syndrome, but when they saw the videos. Yes, they video taped their attacks...
She was the aggressor and killer; not him! However, they're both guilty.

Can someone tell me what her problem was?:

Pssst: I guessed her ascending as Virgo b/c she had a muscular stomach and a way about her. That's also what the husband was. His b-day is August 27th 1964 and would guess Pisces Rising for him. He looks Pisces; not Virgo at all.

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Cowfish · Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:29 pm Post subject:

Furthermore on these freak bags...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCe4JQpUNpw

If you had the time to watch this, you'll notice after awhile, he is missing (Paul Bernardo aka Paul Teale) the entire point.
He's upset they call him a liar and is making a huge issue out of it.

Um, the point is he is showing no remorse for his actions at all. Those girls are gone forever and he says: Yeah I made mistakes, that was 17 years ago... but you guys are always trying to make me look like a crazy liar...

Rolling Eyes

What a piecer.
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Cowfish · Posted: Mon Nov 09, 2009 1:25 pm Post subject:

Thanks for the replies, VirgoMoon.

I have watched all of these autopsy presents videos from Youtube and can offer an Astrological opinion for any of them if want... They were a popular series when I was a young girl. Thankfully someone recorded them.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=autopsy+presents&search_type=&aq=f
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Cowfish · Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 4:15 pm Post subject:

My Taurean dad, also a Virgo Moon, and I used to watch these shows together late at night. "Bonding time" Laughing

In MaryBeth Tinning's case, I didn't see anything out of the ordinary, but when I saw the Jupiter in Cancer, I thought...
A ha she likes empathy... (b/c one of my understandings of Jupiter is also associated with what you like or favor)
and the chart is at the top and everything's clumped together in Virgo:

Sept 11th, 1942
Duanesburg, NY
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Teo · Joined: 17 Aug 2006 Posts: 3971 Location: going on 4000

is there a statistic on signs and killers?

here is a famous psychopath, you try guessing his placements (no birthtime, but plenty even so)

serial killer father too

of his professors described him as shy and semi-literate, with a very poor vocabulary and an extremely narrow set of interests.

His roommates reported that he behaved strangely, so they avoided him. When he became enraged, he would puncture himself; he was found to have over 20 cuts on his arms and legs. From adolescence, he had an uncontrollable libido. For instance, a university classmate reported that one night, at the dormitory, he did not sleep at all, but instead prowled outside a room where he knew a girl had come to visit a classmate.

mo as ferocious and cruel, based on his propensity for cutting off clothes, biting off flesh, dragging his victims, and hacking away at them with his weapons, also raping them while they were unconscious. He was judged to be aggressive, impulsive and sadistic. He showed signs of vampirism; for instance, he poked several holes into the flesh of a victim, who later related how he sucked blood out of them. Cannibalism was also present; he would bite women's vaginas, pubic areas and breasts, and the missing pieces of flesh were no longer found at the crime scenes. Additionally, he had necrophiliac tendencies, continuing his rapes after his victims had died and also beating and stabbing their corpses.
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Cowfish · Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:17 pm Post subject:

(well, you already told me, so, let's see if someone else gets it)

Like I said, though, I saw nothing, but "animal" so, it was very hard for me to put an Astrological face to him, but I nailed his Moon.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:49 pm Post subject:

This dude has one of the worst birth charts of anyone I have ever come across. Granted technically he wasn't a serial killer but he is more then close enough to be worthy of being mentioned. I'm mean you take one look at this guy's chart and your like "Nope not listening to this wack job"

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Jones%2C_Jim
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Cowfish · Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:03 am Post subject:

Here's a very angry Moon in Libra male.
We Libra Moons get overly devastated with injustice.

Anybody would if their baby was murdered in this hideous way, but you can tell (I can) when a fellow Libra Moon has been emotionally damaged beyond repair and it really bothers me; moves me to watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N_2C2cQtIM

Thanks for the link, Juice.
Here's Adam Walsh:

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Walsh%2C_Adam

I cann't find Ottis Toole's DOB, the supposed murderer of Adam and several other young boys.
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Cowfish · Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 1:57 am Post subject:

Watch this:
(a real killer clown)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uAf1LlMOtY
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juicejuffer · Posted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 2:56 am Post subject:

Adam Walsh has a small handful of stars aligned with his chart connected to being murdered or a victim of violence. This includes one right on his rising (albali).
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abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

albali? not familiar. where found......ah, albiro??

abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

albireo isn't a bad star, though: yellow & saphire blue binary of the nature of venus & mercury: handsome appearance, neatness, lovable disposition benificence in despair.

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Cowfish · Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:47 am Post subject:

Did anyone realize the Moon in Aries pattern?

Here's a murderer; not a serial killer:

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Snoop_Dogg

Now I'm confused.
I swore Snoop Dogg had Moon in Aries...

Can definitely tell he's Taurus Rising now, though. The only persons who can imitate his voice well are my husband (Moon in Taur) and my Taur cousin w/ Mars in Taurus.

Strange, strange. Don't you hate it when you thought someone's horoscope wrong for years?
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Cowfish · Posted: Wed Mar 17, 2010 3:51 am Post subject:

I should've known that was a Moon in Scorpio. He has a black meanness, not a playful meanness like Aries.
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Cowfish · Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 1:25 pm Post subject:

Did you know the Pope was in Hitler Youth?

There is a website: http://www.adolfthegreat.com/
It says Hitler started the first breast cancer awareness campaign in history.

I can really spot a Taurus male from a mile away lately. Maybe it's the Transiting Venus in Taurus.

I was watching a vacuum commercial a few days ago (yeah, "highlight of my day" lol...) and this inventor was talking, trying to sell his unique vacuum. As I was listening to him talk, I knew. That son of a B is a Taurus FOR SURE; no mistaking it at all.
Went to type in his name and sure enough, May flipping fourth.
He's also an artist.

Not a serial killer, though. Laughing

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juicejuffer · Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 6:23 pm Post subject:

It also, doesn't suprise me Snoop has the ruler of his Taurus rising, venus in Scorpio conjunct his moon in scorpio in square to mars as this configuration would lean towards his highly sensual yet often violent lyrics. Also, it fits with his ability to be quite calm and laid back and then turn around and be totally gangster. Being a Libra of course also helps him with this balancing act.
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Tham58 · Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 3:32 pm Post subject:

Try looking for the placement of these for a start.

Murder planetoid and asteroids -

Ixion
Tantalus
Atreus
Thyestes
Agamemnon

"Evil" asteroids -

Malin, the Devil (right on Bin Laden's AC)
Ate, Greek Goddess of Evil
Apophis, Egyptian Goddess of Chaos and Darkness

Nessus, centaur of abuse

Stars -
Zosma, the star of abuse
Sarin, the "poison gas" star

The stars in the Great Bear -

Dubhe (at 15 Leo, the "worst" degree of the zodiac - Hitler's
Saturn was near there)
Alkaid
Phecda

juicejuffer · Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2010 4:14 pm Post subject:

Also, having planets or a rising in the constellation of lupus the wolf (which, has a high concentration of violent stars). Ted Bundy (whose chart is loaded with a handful of violent/cursed stars not meantioned here) had some of his planetes here and John Wayne Gacy had his rising here as well. Also, a rising or one or more of the main bodies aligned with the star scheat. Several of these factors have to appear and usaully even then the person is probly not a killer as hundereds of thousands have such combinations.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 10:10 am Post subject:

The chart of mark david chapman the man who killed John Lennon has planetry configurations strongly indicating mental implance. The moon is detriment with its ruler saturn in the 12th house involved in a T square with the sun and pluto. Venus the ruling planet of the 12th (using an equal house system) is determint and opposing neptune planet of illusions.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Chapman%2C_Mark_David

Also his moon was in tight square to Lennon's mars one of the single most violent aspects between two charts there is.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Lennon%2C_John

Add this to the fact transiting saturn was conjunct transting jupiter both making a conjunction to Lennon's determint mars squaring Chapman's determint moon. Also, during Lennon's murder on December 8, 1980 transiting mars planet of violence and also traditional ruler of his 8th house of death was squaring his sun along with pluto being in oppostion to his rising and was conjunct Chapman's neptune and squaring Chapman's jupiter/uranus in Cancer ruled by Chapman's determint moon, Chapman had been a life long obsessed fan of Lennon's.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 12:57 pm Post subject:

Then you have Martin Luther King Jr. Who was assassinated on April 4, 1968 by James Earl Ray.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/King%2C_Martin_Luther

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Ray%2C_James_Earl

James moon is square to his mars (a violent and impulsive combination) and his moon opposes Martin's rising and his mars squares it.

On the day of the assinastion Martin's progressed mars had come into tight oppostion to his saturn in the 8th and in tight incojunct to his hylegical sun. Also, transiting mars was squaring his rising in oppostion to Earl's mars and squaring Earl's moon.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:00 pm Post subject:

Add to the above the fact the moon is the ruler of Earl's 12th house (pshycholgical issues) and is in its sign of fall.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 1:15 pm Post subject:

Also, with John Lennon add to the above info the fact Chapman's progressed mars was opposing his own natal moon during the time he assassinated Lennon.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 7:31 am Post subject:

Here is the chart of the perpetrator of the Oklahoma City bombing Timothy McVeigh.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/McVeigh%2C_Timothy

One thing which, stands out is Pisces the sign of the 10th house of Goverment has its ruler neptune being opposed by mars and its other ruler jupiter being squared by mars. Also, his Pisces moon in the 10th is opposing both uranus and pluto in the sign of virgo with the ruler of Virgo mercury in Taurus with the ruler of Taurus Venus being in Aries its sign of determint (and the ruler of the 12th house of psychological issues) being ruler by the highly afflicted mars. Granted McVeigh was one of hundreds of thousands with such a combintion but he give into its darkest energies and these configurations (especially the mars/jupiter square) have a great potential for highly destructive behavior.

On April 19, 1995 the day of the bombing transting mars in Leo was in tight square to his natal mars in Taurus. Also, transting saturn was going into square to Taurus his 12th house sign of imprisionment.

On June 11, 2001 the day of his exection by lethal injection the transiting retrograde mars was squaring his moon (planet of all liquids) in Pisces (sign of poisions). Also, keep in mind his moon is in oppostion to pluto (planet of death) in his natal chart
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abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

he should have been allowed to have been shot.

juicejuffer · Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 5:26 am Post subject:

Also, going back to Martin Luther King Jr. During the time of his assassination progressed mars was in direct oppostion to his natal saturn which, is the ruler of his hylegical sun and therefore giver of years. When progressed mars is afflicting the hylegical and/or its ruler the giver of years there is danger of a violent death. Also, his sun opposing pluto in the natal strongly suggested the possiblity of a violent end.
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Cowfish · Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:51 pm Post subject:

Snoop Dogg is Libra with Taurus Rising in the 1st Decan, being at 0°. Since Taurus in the 1st Decan is Venusian Ruled, Venus Ruled Taurus, with the Sun also in Venus, he is like a Triple Venusian person.

Al Capone was haunted by one of his victims in the Valentine's Day Massacre:

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Capone,_Al

Along with the Ken n Barbie murderers, he also had Moon in Cardinal Fire or Moon in Mars like Snoop.
and a Pisces Rising...

I can't remember the victim's name that was haunting him in his jail cell.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 4:10 pm Post subject:

Well the Pisces rising is unverfied. Still it makes some sense since Pisces at its worst is quite decietful. Also, the T sqaure between sun, moon, and mars isn't shocking. Is often enability to control his temper and emotions was quite noted.

Also, with the sun (hyelgical) opposing mars it should come to no one's suprise he died of a stroke.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:23 pm Post subject:

Also, his being Pisces rising is interesting because of neptune opposing the Mc in that both rule alcohol which, is what much of his criminal enterprise was based on. Also, does it suprise anyone he was a cappy?
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Cowfish · Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:39 pm Post subject:

no, him being a Cap doesn't surprise me. what surprises me is the number of Taurus and Libras killing. What is up with that?
One would think the opposite.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:00 am Post subject:

No, it makes perfect sense. Taurus when taken to the extremes of their stubborness and singlmindness (the sign in general mind you) can be quite destructive. Although this is due to other planetary placements due to the average Taurus being too practical and/or logical to be too destructive but Tarus with violent placements might well go overboard.
Libra also makes some sense because the dark side of this sign is masterful at rationalizing the most horrible of acts. I know two libras who have done a number on my family and I who still think they are perfectly justified.
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abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

how do the fixed stars & other aspects come into play with kevorkian & humphreys?

juicejuffer · Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:39 am Post subject:

With Kevorkian I'm not exactly sure since I don't have his birth time. But if he's Pisces rising like I'm almost sure he is venus (a plant known for giving an ability to sympathize with others and the exhaltion ruler of Pisces) ruler of his 8th house of death is square to neptune (drugs) in the 6th (service/health matters) which, would fit with someone involved in assisted suicide/mercy killing. Also, Kevorkian only assists those with chronic illness and pain.
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abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

I was interested in how he (they) fir in with the other killers specs, fixede stars etc, I expect there must be some, because of their proffession, & as you use oppositions to the dangerous stars.
neither actually killed, kevorkian had the "patient" pull the trigger. at least humphreys didn't use intravenouts method.
as a student of herbs, I've notices that the curative herbs grow nearby the places where the ailments they can help are prevalent.

juicejuffer · Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:45 am Post subject:

I will have to check. But, he likely doesn't have them. Kevorkian unlike some of the killers and mass murders who have discussed so far wasn't of ill intent nor does he have pscyhological problems.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:57 am Post subject:

Kevorkian’s sun conjuncts Prima Hyadum which can correlate with one becoming a killer. His mercury does conjunct polaris a star known for giving danger of ill repute. His Venus conjuncts Algol the so-called most evil star (which, adds to the Neptune square I spoke of). Jupiter conjuncts mirach which, gives danger of legal troubles. Saturn conjuncts Sabik and this combination is said to give danger of scandal. If saturn is anywhere near his mc or in his 10th house this would further fit with my thinking him being Pisces rising. Uranus conjuncts algenib which, can give a mind which, is controversial and progressive.
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abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

sabik is a music star, mirach indicates physical beauty as wll as the other things you mention. appreciate the honest reply.

juicejuffer · Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 11:44 am Post subject:

Sabik conjunct saturnn in and of itself is what gives danger of scandel.

Coming soon............ The chart of Ted Bundy.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:00 pm Post subject:

Here is the chart and info of Ted Bundy who was more or less the modern Jack the Ripper.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bundy%2C_Ted

First off Bundy’s rising is conjunct the star Alphard which, is said to give danger of being addicted to women and intemperance. It also conjuncts Al Jabhaha a star said to give violence and intemperance especially when rising. His sun conjuncts the star Acrab a star said to give riches but also danger of violence and much trouble. His Venus conjuncts the star Unukali which, is said to be connected to enmity, domestic trouble, and death by poison. His mars is conjunct the star Ras Algeti a star said to be connected to being easily irritated especially by females. His Jupiter is conjunct the south scale star which, is said to give dishonesty and danger of being imprisoned. His Saturn is conjunct the star Asellus Australis, this combo is said to be connected to a high amount of dishonesty and immorality. His Uranus is opposed by the moon ruler of the 12th house which, is can lead to great emotional/mental imbalance. Also, his Uranus is conjunct the star Capella and this combo is said to be connected to mental imbalance and even insanity. Also, the moon is the ruler of emotions and also one’s experience with women and its conjunct mars which, can make a person temperamental and emotional at times (I have this). These are only the star alignments by conjuction using about a 1 degree orb that I found. There might be a few more by oppostion and/or using a 2 degree orb.
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Cowfish · Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:02 pm Post subject:

What I'd like to know is what is the name of the victim from the Valentine's Day Massacre who was haunting Al Capone with a vengeance?

What does his horoscope look like?
If we can find that out, we can determine what it was in his horoscope that had talent to manifest himself in the afterlife.

Essentially, we can determine, if his personality in death was the same as it was when he was alive.
and if we do that
We'll know for sure our horoscopes stay with us after we've passed.

OR was his vengeful spirit an illusion from the Pisces Rising's imagination? o.O
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abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

bundy didn't rip, & the ripper didn't rape, but both are interesting, unlike most-all others, wonder why. bundy's escapes were spectacular.

abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

unukalhai is indeed a bad star (& s scale, I get n & s confused) the bopaul disaster was under the influence of unukalhai, saturn there as I recall.

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Cowfish · Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 12:02 pm Post subject:

This thread needs to be in Astrology Discussion Only.
I wonder if they'll move it for me.
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abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

if you were older than @ 20 you needn't have feared bundy, or if you weren't a prostitute, the ripper.

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abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

yes, an american fake docktor: actually had no medical degree, but said he did.

abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

it was his handwriting, though not dna?????

juicejuffer · Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 2:30 am Post subject:

Coming next...................... John Wayne Gacy. Come on admit it you saw this one coming a mile away.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 2:49 am Post subject:

Gacy by the way scares me way more then Bundy even though Bundy killed 3 times the number of people. The reason being Gacy has this whole "the nice old guy next door you say hi to everyday whose secertly killing people and burying them in his basment" thing going on. CREEPY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Also, if your wondering why so many people hate clowns.......... he is often your answer.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 3:25 pm Post subject:

Here is the info and chart for serial killer John Wayne Gacy.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Gacy%2C_John_Wayne

First off his rising conjuncts the star Yed Prior, a star connected to shamelessness and immorality.

His moon conjuncts the star Scheat. a star connected to murder in the 4th house, interestingly also the ruler of the 8th house of death and most of Gacy’s victims were buried in his basement. Also, Jupiter the ruler of Gacy’s rising is in Gemini(a maculine sign) and fourth house Pisces (where he killed and buried most of his victims) and its ruler mercury(planet of youth) is in Pisces (a sign know for deception) and in square to mars which, is conjunct the star Prima Hydum an aggressive star. Gacy would act all friendly and would lure young men into his home. The scary thing is mars rules his 5th house (he greatly enjoyed it). Also, his mercury conjuncts Ancha a star said to be related to danger and death.
Also, his Venus is opposing Pluto which, Conjuncts the star acubens, a star connected lying and criminal behavior. Also, the ruler of his Venus in Aquarius, Saturn is conjunct the star Algol, the so called most evil star. His Venus Trines Jupiter in the 7th which, probably gave him an ability to charm people and he used this to help him lure the young men into his clutches. Also, he has mars opposing the rising, often these can be the type of people where your like “Man he’s a great guy” someone who exactly knows them, “Boy you don’t know that b@stard at all.

These are only the stars I found by 1 degree orb cojunction not counting 2 degree orb or oppostion. Also, only longitude not lattitude or paran star connections. I will note his jupiter is aligned by 1 degree oppostion to the star Ras Algethi a star said to be connected to devious plots.
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abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

this person & his like. are too revolting to be interesting. the hillside strangler, & the other la invasion person & his cousin, are, but the green river killer, who preyed on easy targets, & the btk killer, not intelligent. not that any of them are that, but some are less bright than others.

abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

but saturn conkoined beta perseus, is interesting. interesting to find out who else was born with that configuration.

juicejuffer · Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 5:18 pm Post subject:

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abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

I don't agree much with "IQ", still "average" is 100 on the testa.

Ray Murphy · Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 5:45 pm Post subject:

abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

one of them. as i recall, perhaps faultilly, perhaps ther green river killer had an I>Q> of 90. he got away with it for so long, he preyed on women the authorities didn;t care about.

juicejuffer · Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 6:22 pm Post subject:

Coming soon................... Jeffery Dauhmer.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 6:31 pm Post subject:

Duahmer has about the worst birth chart I have seen (next to Jim Jones). Not only for a small handful of "so called" evil stars but the aspects in general. His chart screams "Stay the f@ck away from this @sshole". Granted Dauhmer experienced and in turn expressed the worst possiblities of his potiental of his chart energies but even a nice or nicer person with such a chart is more likely then not one of whom "One does not f@ck with".
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juicejuffer · Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 6:37 pm Post subject:

I wish we knew who the "Zodiac Killer" was, now his chart I would like to see. Also, there is no doubt his IQ was quite high.

Also, its interesting Butters this concept of Gacy's painting having or drawing in negative energy and possibly being cursed, Venus in his chart opposing pluto.
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Cowfish · Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 9:12 pm Post subject:

How much is that painting worth?

Without looking at anything else and forgetting about degrees, Sun in Pisces, Sag Rising, Moon in Pisces, & Mars in Gemini is practically a recipe for freak, isn't it?

What about the women he made love to (his 2 wives), did they get cancer or die, too? Maybe his relationship with females was different, b/c it did say he got along well with his Mom and sisters.

Hey, he's 26* Pisces and a painter. Anyone see a connection? Joking... hahaha...

I'm also thinking that a Pisces w/ Mars in Gemini is inclined to be 'extra smart'.
I know a man like that. He's very strange and talks to himself. Smart? As much as I hate to say it (b/c he rubbed me the wrong way once with that Piscean male orneriness) , he probably is.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 9:50 pm Post subject:

Well Pisces can have a take my pain out on the world thing going on (especially the males). I think moon in Libra can have a hard time emotionally relating to Pisces.
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Cowfish · Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 10:01 pm Post subject:

Has anyone googled that clown painting yet? I'm a bit scared to.

Can someone else find it and paste for all to see, so that if it's cursed we're all in the same sinking ship together for looking at it?
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juicejuffer · Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 10:12 pm Post subject:

juicejuffer · Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 10:34 pm Post subject:

Gacy's chart doesn't show any issues with women where as Bundy's does as does mine to a somewhat lesser degree.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 2:24 am Post subject:

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Dahmer%2C_Jeffrey

Here is the info and chart of Jeffery Dahmer.

The first thing to note is his mc conjuncts the star Pollux a star said to be connected to being both crafty and cruel. His IC conjuncts the star Terbellum a star said to be connected to a mercenary and repulsive nature. Saturn isn’t too far from the IC and both are squared by mars conjunct the star Algenib a star when conjuct mars is connected to great dishonesty and/or theft. With the mars square and Saturn near the IC it should be noted Dahmer was severely abused as a child and also like Gacy most of his victims where in his home although unlike Gacy they weren’t in his basement but in his refrigerator. Also, mars square Saturn shows someone who is quite frustrated and might lash out these frustrations rather violently. The moon squares mars which, might show problems with women (especially the mother) even though his victims were all men.

He has Venus in the 8th house of sex in Taurus aligned by opposition with the star Agena, rashness, and Unukali, immorality and violence. His disturbing sexual behavior is well noted. His sun is aligned with the star Yed Prior a star connected to immorality and shamelessness. His sun conjuncts mercury the ruler of the sign its in and mercury is conjunct Hydadum 2 a star connected to Prima Hyadum in proximity and nature which, is gives temper and violence.
Further his sun and moon squares Pluto aligned by opposition to sadalmelek a star said to be connected to great misfortune and self undoing. Also, his Uranus which is ruled by his sun is aligned by opposition to the star Castra a star connected to an uncontrollable temper. The cursed stars not only in the inner planets and the angular ones but the affliction to malefics with nothing to really offset them show a personality which is either quite violent or has much turmoil and it appears Dahmer was expressing the worst manifestation of this.
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castra: criminality

juicejuffer · Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 12:09 pm Post subject:

juicejuffer · Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 9:49 am Post subject:

Its interesting that both Gacy and Dahmer killed the victims and kept them in their homes. Whats even more interesting is Gacy's IC is Pisces (sign of illusions) and he used the illusion of being a nice guy as well as a clown to lure is unsuspecting victims in. Dahmer's IC is Capicorn with Saturn in Cappy fairly close, saturn and cappy are said to rule the cold and he kept is victims (what was left of them) in the refrigrator.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 8:54 pm Post subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H_H_Holmes
This is H H Holmes. I don’t know his birth time but he is one history’s most curious cases of a serial killer. The planetary alignments in his chart don’t suggest violence, unless of course his mars makes a stress aspect to his rising. His sun and Venus conjunct the so-called most evil star algol. His mars conjuncts the star Menkalinan a star said to bring disgrace and violence. His Jupiter conjuncts the star Algenubi a star said to be connected to brutishness and destructiveness.
I wish I knew his rising sign so I could see if mars was making a stress aspect to it and/or if it is aligned with any interesting star, same goes from his moon and mc.
Wish I had a data base of serial killers and their exact or at least approximated risings.
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Has anyone read the UK newspapers currently about the Bradford serial killer Stephen Griffiths, born 24th December 1969 (source, both the Daily Mail and Wikipedia). I noticed he has Mars in Pisces, closely conjunct the Sun of the missing York woman Claudia Lawrence (born 27th February 1974, disappeared mysteriously 19th March 2009 probably around 5.30am).

http://www.sundaysun.co.uk/news/north-east-news/2010/05/30/bradford-link-in-missing-claudia-lawrence-hunt-79310-26550271/

Cowfish · Posted: Mon May 31, 2010 9:36 am Post subject:

Cowfish · Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:17 am Post subject:

Right now I'm reading Bitter Almonds, about that Leo lady serial killer. It only takes two victims to be a serial killer and I believe Miss Nickel poisoned 2 ppl to death using cyanide to contaminate Excedrin capsules.

I think we typed a bit about her up above already ^
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Cowfish · Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:21 pm Post subject:

One of the victims, born April 13th, 1946, has NN in 22* Gemini in Exact Trine to Jupiter in Libra, in Exact Opposition to Sun in Aries.
Moon at 23* Virgo (using 12 PM as birth time) in Exact Square to NN.
Pluto in Leo in Exact Square to Venus in Dignity.

Excerpt from book:

"Hayley (her daughter born April 24th) went into her mother's hospital room. The woman lying there no longer looked like her mother. In her hospital gown, Sue looked like an inflatable mannequin. Her fingernail polish had been removed, her toes were swollen and sticking out from under the sheet. Sue's eyes were tiny slits and there was tape and tubing all over her arms. Her mother's chest rose and fell with the machine. It made Hayley ill. She took one look and left. "

Susan Snow (Victim #1) using 12 PM as time of birth:

Stella Nickell's chart using 12 PM as time of birth:

Taking a quick glance at the synastry, notice how Susan's Pluto in 9* Leo is in tight Conj. to Stella's Jupiter in 8* as if to say her death was the result in the luck of another. Bad luck, that is.

Stella's other victim was her husband, but I haven't come to that part yet.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:26 pm Post subject:

stella's moon is square to Snow's mars, one of the single most potentially violent of all the aspects with nothing between the charts to offset it.
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Cowfish · Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:27 pm Post subject:

juicejuffer · Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:28 pm Post subject:

Ever heard of the book "the girl next door"? Haven't read it myself. Look it up. Creepy to say the least.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:59 pm Post subject:

Also to be a candiate for a serial killer it takes more then just having two victims. Yes at least 2 (like cowfish said) but there can't be any motive such as obvious revenge or montetary motiviation (unless they do such in a systematic pattern).
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Cowfish · Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:51 am Post subject:

I'm on page 80, I think. Slow reader lately for some reason.

That Stella Nickell was scary. Reading about her really ruins my cheer... Predator.

She could have gotten away with it, but fortunately she was apparently STUPID. Some people argue that criminals are smarter. Uh, not this one...
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Cowfish · Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 8:12 pm Post subject:

This book Bitter Almonds is very thick, 500 + pages of small type so I'm 1/2 way through, but it's extremely revealing about Stella Nickell, aka Stella Strong.

Her Venus was in the loyal Sign of Virgo, however, she was not loyal and had an obvious sex addiction and could not be faithful to either one of her husbands. See her horoscope that I provided above ^

Based on her physical looks and going by the book written about her life by Gregg Olsen, I'm going to give her a Virgo Rising, which puts her Venus in the 1st, which would explain her Libran aura.

Anyone have any questions about Stella Maudine Nickell. I can sure answer.
To this day, she maintains her innocence and a few top sleuths believe her...
Do you think she could be innocent?
but she had 2 tampered bottles in her possession (what luck) and what about the algae destroyer connection...
http://www.truthinjustice.org/stella.htm

(She also looks like a possible Taurus Rising, doesn't she?...)
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juicejuffer · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:40 am Post subject:

Yeah Cowfish I would defitetly vote Taurus rising, mars in the 1st house. If her mars is in the 1st house with it in direct alignment to the mars nodes with the sun square mars her chart has nasty b@tch written all over it. Even if she is innocent I wouldn't want to cross her.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 6:09 am Post subject:

Here is another mean customer.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Landru%2C_Henri_Desire

Henri Landru had pluto in Taurus conjunct the rising sign square to mars in the 5th house of romance with mars ruling the 7th house of marriage with the sun ruler of mars in Leo in the 12th house. He murdered his 10 wives for the material possessions (Taurus) and no one has found the bodies. His overly full 12th suggests severe psychological disturbances. Venus conjunct neptune square to uranus also can add up to bizarre fantasies. With mars the ruler of his Aries venus and neptune in square to pluto in oppostion to the descendant we know what those bizarre fantasies were. The trine from his saturn to his sun and mars shows the murder and burying of these women was planned very methodically. Plus mars in square to the risng with a fire dominate chart screams violent temper the trine of mars to saturn means he could control it to a certain degree but he used this control for evil.
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Cowfish · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:12 am Post subject:

juicejuffer · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:18 am Post subject:

Maybe, its certainly a thought. Then again mars in Taurus often doesn't seem to angry or tempermental at first but once their anger builds up it lasts for hours longer then most of the other mars signs. Her mars certainly didn't conjunt the rising.
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Cowfish · Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:19 am Post subject:

juicejuffer · Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 9:22 am Post subject:

Here is another mean customer. His sun ruler of his chart square to saturn in the 12th house in Cancer shows severe psycholgical issues going back to the early home. His sun conjuncts the destructive star scheat and his moon is aligned by oppostion to the murderous star sabik plus its the ruler of his afflicted 12th house and it squares jupiter conjunct the unforunate star Debebola which, would manifest as over expression of these issues..His mars is in square to the mars nodes. He had a fire rising near the believed to be highly destructive canis major constellion with pluto conjunct the believed to be unforunate Asellus Australis star in the 1st house. He was one of the most violent of all serial killers.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Kraft%2C_Randy
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Cowfish · Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 3:37 am Post subject:

Stella definitely had Moon in Libra. She had "the walk" they said that charmed men...
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Cowfish · Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:20 pm Post subject:

Albert Fish Sad

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juicejuffer · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 2:05 am Post subject:

Ah yes Albert Fish the infamous child rapist/cannibal.

His sun in Taurus was aligned by oppostion to the the star Bungula one which, is said to be connected to jealousy, enemies, misfortune.

His mercury aries was aligned by oppostion to the star sabik a star said to bring perversion and evil deeds.

Venus aries was aligned by oppostion to Algorab a star conneted to fiendish lying and scavaging.

His mars in Taurus was conjunct the star menkar a star connected to misfortune and when conjunct mars was said to be connected to murderous tendancies.

His Saturn in Sag was conjunct Betelguez a star which, is in general good but when conjunct saturn was believed to have a treacherous influence.

Of course around a hundred thousand people or more were born the same day and these star alignments wouldn't be enough to correlate with a serial killer. Looking at a few other killers charts in theory he might have had a cursed star aligned with one of his angles and maybe even moon and its also possible he had mars and/or saturn afflicting an angle, which can correlate with severe abuse or neglect.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 3:51 pm Post subject:

Oh and thanks for bring up Fish, Cowfish. I was going to do it but I kept putting it off (damn procrastinating libra chart).
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abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

not familiar with fish, actually.
I still think sabik is a benevolent star with it's influence on music

Cowfish · Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 5:43 pm Post subject:

^"You're welcome..." :s

I really do not know what to say... This guy takes the cake so far Question

Uh is there anyway to explain what was wrong without using Fixed Stars?
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abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

in another thread kent said chriss was not an expert, but surely we're a teaching forum too.

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Cowfish · Posted: Sat Aug 14, 2010 9:38 pm Post subject:

Here's Bruce Nickell's virtual memorial.

Read the flowers left for him. There's a message from his daughter, Cindy, a Libra, Oct 23rd.

You'd think SCorpio but she's not unless she was born at nighttime, but as a general rule girls are born in the morning...
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juicejuffer · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 12:44 am Post subject:

I thought girls were born typically during the night (sun below the horizon not in terms of am and pm) because in a night chart the moon (mother) is strongest and genetic as well as personality wise most girls take after mommy. Also, boys being born during day or when the sun is still above the horizon. I do have an uncle who was born at night and believe me when I say he takes after Gertrude.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:34 am Post subject:

Perhaps but then again this is an assumption as well as was my inquiry. How much statisical research has been done on this subject? Also, do girls born during the day resemble their fathers in either apperance or even manner? Do boys born at night more resemble their mothers then fathers?
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Ray Murphy · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:42 am Post subject:

juicejuffer · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 6:51 am Post subject:

Yes but this just shows most people are born at night (at least it does so far and we are talking sun below the horizons here right) but which, one if any (even if its only marginal) is born more during the day hours vs night?
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Ray Murphy · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 7:13 am Post subject:

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abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

It would make more sense that more men would be born at night as they're not hardy, don't live as long as women. Why? I've thought about this a lot/ anatomy: their central part isn't as strong, minus overies & womb. they most often don't take the time & money to have an indoors sanctuary of their own & spend too much time in vehicles, or the basrn or office or such, they're very competative with other males, love to get into fithts, harm their rivals, love war: (old men sending young men to war so the old men could there after have the young women who's lost thir rightful mates in war.

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juicejuffer · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:38 am Post subject:

To be fair my perception of genetics and astorlogy is bit more complex then what I have presented it to be. Out of a few handful of examples I have observed that the child will look and act like the parent their chart most resembles. For example a child looking and acting much like a partent with whom they share a fire or fixed sun with or a sag rising with or a mutuable moon with and more so if they share all such chart factors with and then some. Granted these are only a small handful but it would be interesting to see how it panned out with large statistical samples.
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juicejuffer · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:40 am Post subject:

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abigail · Joined: 11 Feb 2009 Posts: 1962

true, & probablyn true, ray. here's a couple of other health related reasons: the rediculous rule that males must wear wool (suits) & any kind of ties, & must regularly cut the ends of their hair.

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Cowfish · Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:54 pm Post subject:

Stella Nickell, a Leo with what juice and i believe to be Venus in the 1st, but also a possible Taurus Rising, had two daughters, both Scorpios, one blonde(Leah) and one brunette(Cynthia)...
Stella's will left nothing for Leah and did not even mention her name. That's coldhearted and seems guilty alone... Or at least capable of what she vehemently denies doing. That's ridiculous, BTW...

Both her husbands were Gemini, born two days apart...

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