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I'm curious to know about any astrological programs anyone has or has tried? Which, ones are the best, what do these programs do? Is there any feature they do which, online services don't offer?

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I'm curious to know about any astrological programs anyone has or has tried? Which, ones are the best, what do these programs do? Is there any feature they do which, online services don't offer?

Here's something to kick off with - an index of astrology websites without
any garbage. Half way down you'll see some of the software that is popular.
http://users.tpg.com.au/raymurph//allastrology.html


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What about the program you use Ray?

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I like how your program has a large data base of statistical data there for you from the get go.

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juicejuffer wrote:
What about the program you use Ray?

For chart readings I use a few - mainly Jigsaw and Solar Fire, but
occasionally I also use Astrodienst online, Halloran's Astro Deluxe and
others - depending on whether there's any very important questions
involved. Then there's chart verification work, which involves mainly using
Jigsaw, but sometimes using my main rectification program.

Research work is a whole different ball game, where I use:
* Jigsaw
* A battery of my own programs (dozens of programs and utilities)
* The Astrodatbank program's research functions
* MS Access databases for assembling and filtering any data from any source
* My own databases for instant generation of research data files for literally any category
* MS Excel for drawing special graphs from data that is generated in other programs

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I like how your program has a large data base of statistical data there for you from the get go.

There's actually a bunch of databases, because it's too complex to keep everything together and then filter for what is under inspection. I wouldn't have a clue how many there are - somewhere between 20 and 100.

The main ones are -
* Astrodatabank (for filtering for what's required)
* Timed birth data DBase (and all occupations, hobbies etc)
* Un-timed birthdata DB (and all occupations, hobbies etc)
* Timed birth data (and all events and relationships for the person
* Un-timed birth data (and all events and relationships for the person
* World Events DB
* Gold Prices DB
* Earthquake DBases (big and various smaller versions)
* Atomic tests DB
* Genealogy databases
* Synastry databases for genealogy
* All the C.U.R.A. data
* All the CURA data with pairing up of family members and partners
* Partners databases (timed data)
* Partners databases (un-timed data)
etc.etc.


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I use What Watch

I don't use all the features...
it does synastry, composite, solar arc, progressions in one click

You can do progressions or only progressions of faster planets WITH the transits of the slower ones.

You can save as many chart as you computer can handle...in the analyse section you can choose to variable for exemple Saturn and aries and it will show a list of the charts you have that have saturn in aries...very useful.

it gives all the sabian symbols, the coming transits for the planets you select,

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^I have used that one...it is quite user friendly I think.

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It just dawned on me.
I have never used Astrology software of any kind.
As computer oriented as I am, I always did my charts the old fashioned way. It was kind of like a meditation for me. I became a sort of, a part of that chart.


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Golden Rose wrote:
^I have used that one...it is quite user friendly I think.

If I go with that, I'll have to go back to a PC. That's a terrible thought.


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Lee wrote:
It just dawned on me.
I have never used Astrology software of any kind.
As computer oriented as I am, I always did my charts the old fashioned way. It was kind of like a meditation for me. I became a sort of, a part of that chart.

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If I go with that, I'll have to go back to a PC. That's a terrible thought.

As a Mac user for high-end graphics and typesetting etc, I kept right away
from PC's until they got more like Macs, although I'll admit I had an old 286
PC for handling Dos programs that Martin (on this group) wrote for me over
a number of years.

Just looking back - it was bloody funny when I started running the first
rectification research program he wrote (to my specifications). I raced
home with the floppy disk and cranked up the old 286 and loaded my own
405 event dates - then the thing started making noises like a flamin' chaff-
cutter, because it was working so hard.

After a couple of hours the thing was still thrashing away and crunching
numbers, and it was then that I started wondering if Martin had made a
mistake and not tested the program properly. Finally I decided to go with
Martin's skill rather than my speculation - so went to bed and left it running.

Next morning I got up and it was STILL thrashing away, then finally after
almost 15 hours I decided to pull the plug on it, but just at that moment a
large batch of results came into view. Years later I ran the same data
with the same program on a later PC and it took about 10 minutes.

For a few years I fooled around with astrology software written for Macs,
but I finally bit the bullet and got a WIN PC so I could run the Jigsaw
research program, but I never let the PC within a metre of a modem for
years - so I wouldn't have to worry about internet viruses.

All in all PC's are not too bad these days, although they are still not doing
things I could do 20 years ago an Macs - such as find all of the most
recent documents in 5 seconds.

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I'm with you on that.
My first was an Apple 2E with 256K of hard drive!
When they came out with a Meg hard drive, I asked "who will ever use a million bytes of memory"?!?!?!?

Ahhh, am I dating myself?

Your reservation about viruses is apropos. But now I've heard a few are beginning to write Trojan Horses for Mac. Haven't seen them tho.


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I've been using Kepler for years and I can't recommend it highly enough.


http://cosmic.patterns.com/


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hmm, will take a look at it


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Well, Im done.

So much for a PC
Went down to the local Apple store and took a gander at the latest 27" iMac. I won't bore you with all the technicals, but I am definitely drooling.


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Well, I just read the latest on the cyber attack on Google. No was will I buy a PC now.
So I bought the IO version. I'll use it on my iMac and see how I like it. Don't know. I'm used to doing it all by hand.


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Lee wrote:
Well, I just read the latest on the cyber attack on Google. No was will I buy a PC now.
So I bought the IO version. I'll use it on my iMac and see how I like it. Don't know. I'm used to doing it all by hand.


Let us know what you find interesting about the IO program - which has
very rarely been discussed on the groups.

You might also like to have a look at this PDF diagram I made which shows
how most of the main PC programs can share birth data files via translators.

http://tinyurl.com/ychwkye


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?????
Are you an astrologer or a computer programmer??????
:shock: :shock:


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Lee wrote:
?????
Are you an astrologer or a computer programmer??????
:shock: :shock:


These days I'm mostly an astrology researcher who keeps writing software to handle some of the questions that keep getting thrown up by the advances that are made.

It's interesting how it's all worked out so far - starting with a very basic home-made research tool, which Martin on this group wrote in the old, but still good Dos language, and then forcing myself to learn about Windows programming from a 'Dummies' book - and failing after a year to "geddit". Then someone showed me in 5 minutes how to get my foot in the door.

I found that it was more or less impossible (for me at least) to see major new opportunities until certain progress had been made - and various obstacles understood. One of the obstacles was the inability of astrologers to collaborate with any type of research, even if they wanted to, because every program that could be use for research (astrological or non-astrological) uses a different language - so I made that PDF diagram to point to 'workarounds', so nearly everyone can get into the loop without manually entering data.

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Damn. I got a headache just reading that!!!!!
I still shudder, trying to think about DOS. Even the simplest of things made me cringe.


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Lee wrote:
Damn. I got a headache just reading that!!!!!
I still shudder, trying to think about DOS. Even the simplest of things made me cringe.

Hey, it could have been worse - I could have written an explanation.

Anyway, see in that diagram how your IO program is currently 'orphaned' in
the whole scheme of things, but if it's data files for charts happen to be
human-readable, then it shouldn't be hard to rig up a translator so that you
can receive a bunch of charts from PC users and view them instantly.

If you stumble across the IO datafiles for the charts you have made, it
would be handy to see a sample to see if anything can be done for sharing
chart data. It would also be handy to know if IO can import from ANY
other astrology program. If yes, then you can be 'in the loop' any time
you want.

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OK
As soon as it comes in, I'll get with you and see what can be done with it.


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Ray Murphy wrote:
Just looking back - it was bloody funny when I started running the first
rectification research program he wrote (to my specifications). I raced
home with the floppy disk and cranked up the old 286 and loaded my own
405 event dates - then the thing started making noises like a flamin' chaff-
cutter, because it was working so hard.

After a couple of hours the thing was still thrashing away and crunching
numbers, and it was then that I started wondering if Martin had made a
mistake and not tested the program properly. Finally I decided to go with
Martin's skill rather than my speculation - so went to bed and left it running.

Next morning I got up and it was STILL thrashing away, then finally after
almost 15 hours I decided to pull the plug on it, but just at that moment a
large batch of results came into view. Years later I ran the same data
with the same program on a later PC and it took about 10 minutes.

Ray


The fact is Ray I wrote that software on an XT running much slower than your 286 and only tested it with very small data samples. So I actually had no idea how long it would take to crunch through your data set or whether it would crash.

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hmmm, I keep hanging out here, I may wind up smart..... :shock:


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Well, the IO came in today, so now to check it out.


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Ray Murphy wrote:
juicejuffer wrote:
I'm curious to know about any astrological programs anyone has or has tried? Which, ones are the best, what do these programs do? Is there any feature they do which, online services don't offer?

Here's something to kick off with - an index of astrology websites without
any garbage. Half way down you'll see some of the software that is popular.
http://users.tpg.com.au/raymurph//allastrology.html


That political and mundane astrology forum looks as though it might be interesting, but the yahoo form is a nightmare to fill in, even before I got to the part where you have to have a yahoo email address, which I don't and don't know how to get one. I would love to have somewhere to chat about astrology on that level, analysing world events. Do you know anything about this forum? Astrology groups can be very cliquy and friendly and would probably ban me, but I would be curious if people really can get the dates of birth behind the news and would happily lurk for that information.

Maybe date of birth information is available from public records? When you see a news item and want to know what the person's birth chart looks like, albeit without a birth time, how difficult is that to find?


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VirgoMoon wrote:
That political and mundane astrology forum looks as though it might be
interesting, but the yahoo form is a nightmare to fill in, even before I got
to the part where you have to have a yahoo email address, which I don't
and don't know how to get one.

I would love to have somewhere to chat about astrology on that
level, analysing world events. Do you know anything about this forum?


Yes, the Yahoo form can be hard to fill in, but you don't need a Yahoo
emaill address - just use your normal one. Yahoo will GIVE you an email
address after you join a group - but just ignore it and select your own in
your preference settings.

That group "Political Astrology" used to be quite a farce prior to my being
ejected a while back. It's basically a rabid anti-Republican group now.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PoliticalAstrology/

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Astrology groups can be very cliquy and friendly and would
probably ban me, but I would be curious if people really can get the dates
of birth behind the news and would happily lurk for that information.


That DATA group is fine. They basically just post good information.

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Maybe date of birth information is available from public records?
When you see a news item and want to know what the person's birth
chart looks like, albeit without a birth time, how difficult is that to
find?


Well it seems that the DATA group posts most of the birth data for new
people in the news - if it's not already in Astrodatabank
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Main_Page

If you want a decent group - try this one which Noel Tyl runs.
http://noeltyl.com/discussion/index.php

It's a bit quiet there, but you can always dive back in here to have
informal chats.

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Lee wrote:
Well, the IO came in today, so now to check it out.

I've never seen it, but I know you'll be raving about it before too long, and
blaming us for not making you get an astrology program sooner.

The data files for charts would probably be be in a folder with a name like
"User Data" - inside the main folder that holds the program.
If they are in human-readable form they can be opened by the Mac's basic
text editor "TeachText" (like Wordpad on a PC).

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Oh, this thing is TOO cool!!!!
I'm going to get lazy for sure.
I'm still figuring it out, but have done some basics.
You're right. Why didn't you talk me into this earlier?????????


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ASTRODIENST has a political section. Plenty of both persuasions there, although I must warn you, there are plenty of Europeans who cry in their beer that those cold, mean Americans don't embrace socialized health care with open arms.

I think that they think that it's a sign of how "enlightened" they are.... :roll:


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There is some guy named Ray Murphy that goes to the Tyl site....always rambling on about statistics........ :roll:


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Lee wrote:
There is some guy named Ray Murphy that goes to the Tyl site....always rambling on about statistics........ :roll:

I was always inclined toward finding out what worked best via bean counting
because it became apparent that the "hits" were recalled with great clarity
but the "misses" were forgotten easily, then one day in 2002 on one of the
groups after a 40 day argument with one of the most active astrology skeptics
on the net, I decided to demonstrate (after he asked for a truce by email) that
some things we used in astrology DID exceed the chance levels.

After I got started on the project and had developed a prototype research
program to begin testing our claims, I got a hell of a shock - astrology didn't
have a SINGLE clear-cut claim TO test!

Then more and more surprises - hardly any accurate data to work with, and
hardly anyone on the planet doing serious research, but wait there's more
- the statistics that had been used all along were inappropriate, and
researchers had been applying tests to broad/ambiguous claims that we
were NOT making - and they never had a hope in hell of finding anything
statistically significant if that continued.

During those years since 2002 it became more and more apparent how
so many academics were telling (and teaching) lies about astrology and
astrologers, so I was motivated to produce even more than first planned.
Sure, astrologers need a good kick up the rear from academics, but
there's plenty of honest ways to do it - starting with something like:
"Do what you say you can do" (there's no complex stats involved with
a simple challenge like that).

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Sounds good to me. We need more people like you who can give us all data

DATA
INFORMATION
FACTS

That's what we need.


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Lee wrote:
Sounds good to me. We need more people like you who can give us all data

DATA
INFORMATION
FACTS

That's what we need.

And then a voluntary system something like academia or science - where
we keep adding, challenging and refining things. We'll also need some
referees who can keep discussions on track and point out circular
arguments and evasiveness.

I saw this on a science group a few years ago, where answering sensible
questions was compulsory. It was really good moderation - and not what
astrology group moderation is usually all about - moderators starting fights,
insulting posters, siding with their friends and then banning posters if the
intimidation doesn't work.

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...sigh...if you could just take the human element out of it.....


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Well, this program has limitations.
I ran some transits, and it would only print out a list during the time period. Would not do a chart, a bi wheel, showing it physically.....grrrrr


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Lee wrote:
Well, this program has limitations.
I ran some transits, and it would only print out a list during the time period. Would not do a chart, a bi wheel, showing it physically.....grrrrr


Perhaps you just haven't found bi-wheels yet.
They mention them on this website:
http://timecycles.com/


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I've seen the bi wheels. Maybe I'm just not doing it right..... :shock:


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Lee wrote:
I've seen the bi wheels. Maybe I'm just not doing it right..... :shock:


I'm just guessing here, but I'd imagine the bi-wheel would be selected as your preferred chart style.


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Correctomundo!!!

Got it!!!!!

gracias!!!!!!!


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i use astrolog. last century i know...but. i got used to it and find it difficult to switch, it would take much time and learning...


only thing i can't figure out how to do is create a comparison chart using a composite and a natal. i always read that it's important to look not only at the composite chart but also at the aspects your and the other person's natals form with it...but how do you do that if not manually (which is a pain)? is there a way to save a composite chart on astro.com?


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i use astrolog. last century i know...but. i got used to it and find it difficult to switch, it would take much time and learning...


only thing i can't figure out how to do is create a comparison chart using a composite and a natal. i always read that it's important to look not only at the composite chart but also at the aspects your and the other person's natals form with it...but how do you do that if not manually (which is a pain)? is there a way to save a composite chart on astro.com?

Just click on it and drag it to your desktop...

For years i used astrolabe.com until earlier this year finally realized it does not show House positions, which is a real damper on the eyes b/c i've come to accept the significance of planets in Houses in the last year or more...


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Just click on it and drag it to your desktop...


but i mean how do you then create a synastry chart using the composite and a natal?
too lazy to do it all by hand... :roll:


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asmita wrote:
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Just click on it and drag it to your desktop...


but i mean how do you then create a synastry chart using the composite and a natal?
too lazy to do it all by hand... :roll:

IDK ask Juice...

There were some pretty complex charts offered at astrodeintist last time I visited. I am sure they have a chart like that available if you learn how to use their site. :)


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i haven't found it yet on astrodienst, geet :?

patiently waiting for juice to enlighten me :)


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Well on the astro.com site if you set up an account and go to the extend chart selection all you have to do is enter your birth info and the info of the other person and then select the synastry chart as well as the composite. Its pretty easy to figure out.

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As for comparing natal to composite as far as I can tell there isn't a feature for that. To do such you would have to open 3 or more windows and compare the natals to the composite via this method.

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to be honest asmita, i think its worth it to take the time to compare the charts by eye. this way you know the actual degrees and closeness of orbs, which synastry charts, at least the ones on astro.com, don't show.

i don't use synastry charts at astro much besides looking at the overall chart for general themes. or if i have the other two to refer back to.

its not too hard to do it by eye if you look at the degrees and see if any match up or are close within 6 or 7 degrees. then just count 30 for each sign the planets are apart. well you probably know that and probably have your own method, it can be a hassle but will give you a more accurate reading because closer orbs will have a stronger affect.


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ok ok, i guess i just have to do it by hand :? v slow at it...

lickdafoot, i have some good news for you... the aspects of synastry charts do show on astro.com. if you make the selections and go to the chart, there's a link above the names, "view the additional tables(PDF)". click it and you get a table with all the aspects and orbs on there :)


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